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Feature Request: Allow old taskbar behaviour.
Status:
RESOLVED: WONTFIX
Product:
Xfce4-panel
Component:
Window Buttons

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Description Wisam 2004-10-22 20:47:01 CEST
xftaskbar4 used to divide the whole length of the taskbar into the number of
open windows. If one window was open, it would have taken the total length of
the taskbar. If two windows were open, each would have taken half the length of
the taskbar...etc. This behaviour was changed in 4.1 CVS and consequently
4.2-beta1 without the option to choose the old behaviour.
Comment 1 Brian J. Tarricone (not reading bugmail) 2004-10-25 08:44:28 CEST
there was some discussion on this on the ML a while ago, and i believe it was
eventually decided to leave it the way it is now; a pref for it is unlikely.

on the other hand, the old behavior was fitts'-law compliant, while the new one
isn't (even if it may be more aesthetically pleasing).  personally, i think the
old behavior was more useful, and i don't really have a feeling either way based
on how it looks.  other devs' opinions?
Comment 2 Jean-François Wauthy editbugs 2004-10-25 10:59:07 CEST
i like very much the new behaviour but letting the choice to the user would be
fine IMHO
Comment 3 Sami Samhuri 2004-10-25 16:03:14 CEST
I'm not a dev, but as a user I prefer the old (Fitts' law compliant) way of
using the whole taskbar. When I first saw it it seemed odd, but after getting
used to it I was sad to see it changed. I'm all for having an option for this.
Comment 4 Jasper Huijsmans editbugs 2004-10-25 18:14:02 CEST
It should not be an option. That would be silly and, IMO, against the philosophy
we have been trying to follow until now. If you want to change that, a big flame
war on the mailing list will be required ;-)

I felt the huge task buttons were confusing, and the changes too big when other
windows were opened. It might also have been familiarity with other systems
(yeah, windows, sorry). That's why I proposed it (after a user requested an
option ;-) and Olivier agreed.

I don't think one way is inherently better than the other. I do think the
current one is more like other taskbar systems around and therefore probably a
bit more familiar.

In the end I don't think we should change.
Comment 5 Wisam 2004-10-25 18:54:49 CEST
With all my respect Jasper, just because all other taskbars do it in the certain
way that it should be the way of choice. The old behavior was there for a long
while and alot of users are used to it. I can't disagree more that having an
option to allow the old behavior is silly, and I find you're argument non
convincing. How come adding a new feature allowing variable taskbar length isn't
against xfce's philosophy while adding an option to remedy sudden change in the
functionality of the taskbar which has been that way for a long time is against
the philosophy?

BTW, At first I found it odd just as Sami did but eventually found it to be the
most sensible way. Why sould I aim on a small button while the whole taskbar is
wastefully unused.

I still can't understand the new behavior just like I don't understand Gnome's
taskbar, when I open an xterm only the taskbar button is to small while opening
subsequent apps makes the buttons of larger length, I'm confused, any explanations?
Comment 6 Jasper Huijsmans editbugs 2004-10-25 19:10:04 CEST
The option for the taskbar length allows you to so something you couldn't do
before (put something else next to it ;-).

I do agree that familiarity is not a very strong argument, especially since 4.0
users are now used to the big task buttons.

Also, the number of responses indicate people feel strongly about it. That's a
good argument for an option.

To implement that for 4.2 would mean breaking the string freeze and I can't
really see this as important enought to do that. Alternatively we can revert to
the old behaviour and add an option for 4.4.

I don't actually care enough to argue about this point, but I would like to hear
Olivier's opinion on this before changing anything.
Comment 7 Olivier Fourdan editbugs 2004-10-25 19:18:03 CEST
My point is very simple: no option for such a triviality, either choose one way
or another (I have no strong opinion on that, I think shorter buttons look
slightly better, but that's it), but it is not going to be optional.
Comment 8 Brian J. Tarricone (not reading bugmail) 2004-10-25 19:25:16 CEST
a gentle reminder: this is not a discussion board.  i merely asked for the
opinions of other devs before marking this WONTFIX out of hand.  as jasper
somewhat mentioned, the mailing list is a better place for this sort of thing. 
at any rate, the consensus seems to be that it's fine the way it is, and that
we're not adding a pref for this.  marking WONTFIX, as reverting the behavior
seems to involve a slight usability boost matched with an equal aesthetic decrease.

at any rate, if one of us ever properly removes the taskbar border such that you
can click the buttons just by mashing the mouse to the edge of the screen (bug
367), i think that will be a big enough usability boost to balance this small loss.

Bug #411

Reported by:
Wisam
Reported on: 2004-10-22
Last modified on: 2009-07-14

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