Hi, as mentioned on IRC already, I think it would make more sense to put “Places” on top of the sidebar in Thunar 1.6. In Thunar 1.5, the first entry is the home directory, which is usually the place where people do stuff in a file manager. In Thunar 1.6, it becomes the filesystem, then external devices. I'm sorry to not have understood that before (since the designs were more or less available since a long time), but I think it's less usable this way. I can understand that moving Devices on top might mean there are more accessible, but I think I would really prefer having them below (and that way the whole sidebar wouldn't extend each time an external device is plugged, which will look more consistent imho. Another feature request would be the possibility to completely hide a top item (Places/Devices/Network), maybe by right-clicking on it or on an empty area.
Hm, I thought a bit more about this since we last talked, but first off, let me reply. > In Thunar 1.5, the first entry is the home directory, which is usually the place where people do stuff in a file manager. In Thunar 1.6, it becomes the filesystem, then external devices. Well yes, home is where the heart is :) Actually it's still quite accessible. The locationbar (which is default in 1.6) has a toolbar-item for it. > (and that way the whole sidebar wouldn't extend each time an external device is plugged, which will look more consistent imho. Why would the position of devices make a difference here? I mean the total height of the sidebar would stay the same, no matter what position the groups are in. What I've already said on IRC (but what probably still deserves repetition here) is that seeing new devices when they're connected immediately is a huge plus. The list of devices will most likely never be as long as the list of shortcuts, so chances that newly connected devices aren't immediately visible is not that large with the proposed change. > Another feature request would be the possibility to completely hide a top item (Places/Devices/Network), maybe by right-clicking on it or on an empty area. This we've also already discussed in IRC, but I think this might be a bad idea. Having the header for an empty group there is visually not too painful, and the ways of showing/hiding a header are not accessible enough imo. Also: when a user unintentionally hides a group there has to be a really really easy and obvious way to get it back. And imo the most obvious and easy way is as it is now: keep the header. And as you can hide everything in the devices (other than stuff you don't use) I don't see this as an equally big problem as you do. As far as re-ordering the groups go, I'd personally prefer to keep things simple. If there's really a huge majority that thinks this order is terrible and breaks usability, I don't wanna stand in anyone's way. But so far I couldn't think of a good/nice/clean/easy way to implement this in the UI. (Please don't suggest drag and drop.)
Added header hiding, and submenu-ed the items. This makes things a bit easier. You can also right-click the entire view to get the menu.
The only think i can think of is that places is also on top in gnome (inc gtk3 fm) and dolphin.
And in the OS X Finder, where it's: - Places+Bookmarks - Network - Devices (which makes sense, the devices are dynamic so that avoid the whole list beeing pushed down when new devices are plugged, while Places/Bookmarks usually don't change a lot)
Personally I find the remote bookmarks in network confusing compared to gtk interfaces like the file chooser.
Good point, it's important to be somehow consistent with the file chooser, or it becomes confusing.
> Personally I find the remote bookmarks in network confusing compared to gtk interfaces like the file chooser. I guess you could move remote bookmarks into places, but then the whole network group kinda loses its meaning. With respect to other filebrowsers: it seems that Nautilus had a change of heart sometime in the 3-series and they swapped places and devices (can't say when exactly).
I give my experience here Is annoying the fact that the Devices are fisrt and aditional that are non-hideable I have 27 devices and think how long the scroll in a small screen this can be thing that I aditional the Places change they position every time that I umount or add another device making this an unnesesary movenment and more anoying counting 27 devices + removables + Places moved acourding a dinamical tree - Places+Bookmarks - Network - Devices is a good idea, network are less propense to add remove nets, and Devises are really volatiles, Places + bookmarks is a good choice but need to be in the same list?? and make hideable give me the option to only show them when I need
Fixed long time ago.