Return-Path: Received: from smtp.smtpout.orange.fr ([80.12.242.133]) by mx-ha.gmx.net (mxgmx113 [212.227.17.5]) with ESMTPS (Nemesis) id 0MAUYo-1e5aWy1XVi-00BeZB for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:35:42 +0200 Received: from [192.168.1.33] ([109.217.227.249]) by mwinf5d90 with ME id B5bh1w00G5PVXyd035bhNu; Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:35:41 +0200 X-ME-Helo: [192.168.1.33] X-ME-Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:35:41 +0200 X-ME-IP: 109.217.227.249 Subject: Re: [Thunar-dev] Thunar : Date and folder size below the icons To: Alex References: <19357588-48e2-9f56-96ef-b3a6fd8f34a5@gmx.de> <7c775eec-45a1-4d3c-9c2f-47d5bbb79b85@wanadoo.fr> <8bb18baa-f379-0364-e174-f0230ef91e9c@gmx.de> <23b2435e-b6fc-ffbe-790d-849a49400cdd@gmx.de> <4960a69d-372d-0b33-6f47-5fd49a724143@gmx.de> From: jp willm Message-ID: <0ae22613-6f08-ebda-4ffd-cd43e5298d73@wanadoo.fr> Disposition-Notification-To: jp willm Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2017 19:35:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------ECB127D855371FB46BA12089" Content-Language: en-US Envelope-To: X-GMX-Antispam: 0 (Mail was not recognized as spam); Detail=V3; X-UI-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:6CDShxfg6Es=:haMHFfviC1b6jMidNGJQc3yqi4 V7erNcI+0QQQm1t/SQ2Nh71AEAOmBMKlEVzzzXWLIA6C91sH9uhiXKTeQgepsv4DwVoLGaQAL OYpU9tR9sHgSNWv97Gk2apYx4Do+zMP2eq3yrao9pkzPZZgBLaz5Bu18u+B0bXQvjj8f5NqGJ u7neUWPHOLuk9N5XyhL5ZYes1MycZ/gHGkAavqlPWVSWnugK4pvURZdQ5sKdt80C00Y/zc+2c CddvGNWA5hOfVeHJ3onzSyw86XFL8tf0bwc6MCmml51WlO0F11f2Rl/SZIFO9zZwAn3vfLTbj izzN5QHfqcoOGKhIyx7J1FV1ju25uXxSn9wLE1oB6FExkh2/5jvnyrgx1xGEWwVl1BVzDVEps /+NALS8OAt7xGXCpu9HHp1LV+rqvO7dtSWw2xaY3uDf1430vwp4NoT7GPM9Oojfnv6eO8J+7m v3cz0mPLrQRu+74k5/C6eoNqndyRdWsY62KjDiIQrQP/CsfMomm0BPirUSUbQGfGIk5ZzaLPZ KvDGciV6ZGl7jf1bMBDLGVSrbOrblw4wvXSwX3Z6BJPl7B7GF8DBNfZsW/abXgvLcAkqZBi6O wwWH1Q3XUHvmfgJ+OwwYexgpJejnA2jJYSi8LchNjZKURPFaGfxfAcunVCAbZqueNX8FyEH8D Qkz03/cJrTYi8kOmImPS8LRRNYGf6UyS1BYQ3fXoaB5dMPtljcG/UJF3KpRm5Lk0aHnUD20FO hY2MY68RD9aXOV3OU4CFMcdtypwXRKcw5F6D0c7O0MgLXbTBi1YCLXHLW5QDtaxweQzAH5Jtg qwzqS8buC1Rw1diVrVDD6m0veUSZRxGGWP0FQcMP/FL9u+zhZD8/9tnhDpHAo2pIhWsgJf2bL sE0eNJPhSwrXggbh+lCw2kG2eKiQXJsR/HaJzRUcXuy9i8f+xgbbXTorarM0YXztUp2T2lN7q Y0VdAzhwarDJIvPLS41NC3T4UMR7Mqgg6NfPBS24y5n6ijbVNj+r/pohnSZq+85Rg2sjxdnjH 9YNALLBqS4aSZ6G/46hjCMssUlXNpJbWAkg2AysvuUxylftu1/B3ROVlxqWaLhdUHlr4BvmxD EsDLud4NXf5X9jaSvg2qwHO4HNj9G9akW/5Y6NWvRtlmoUXr5ERt8ZnhriCP406bdI77m+Zjx GBzkLHOJrYW2uNF+wmsN1/fcsw88g72VenCKLR3n/QiS1gDnheWEjxerNhAo1l+eOwahfn4Uq +DrkuD5qoBHabFNqsg+6TOSDWKZrErrN1lckfZybKIoarwp7IqlJTIwcvDGkk0PJl79cQEVqW TTC6mZhXDD9vJhUqRZxMEVfLPBuVyY1Chy0I+JBivgmL2RR87eK9plNXEffjb8sS8mPPp3zZm Ri209hxiwGtuxQVg29fzsmZZiTIFkOTt4Boa/rHV967T88yXMFuCobsDwg1E6t+uQLo2XHzX9 sZ8tEgCVzkrxSVlWpYmkcsbGh6KZfiNy8zFzPxjbr48XRFLLHl This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ECB127D855371FB46BA12089 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Alex, Thank you for your research ! I see I am not the only one who would like to see the file size below the previews in icon view mode 8-) Date and time would be welcome in this view mode. Of course, you can attach our conversation in your additional info. I will follow this discussion and comment it if necessary. Einen schönen abend ! Salutations, -- jp willm http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html Le 17/09/2017 à 23:03, Alex a écrit : > Hi, > > I just learned that there already was some fix for 1.) in 2007, which > seems to be lost in the current version: > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265 > > Here the new bug I opened for 1.) > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13867 > > > For 2.) I found this one: > https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13553 > > Instead of opening a new one I would add more info to this bug and > attach our conversation, if you agree. > Fell free to as well comment on these issues! > > Cheers, > Alex > > > On 16.09.2017 09:29, jp willm wrote: >> Bonjour Alex, >> >> >> Le 15/09/2017 à 22:26, Alex a écrit : >>> Hi, sorry for the delay! >> >> There is no emergency :-) >> >>> >>> Ok, thanks. Now I have a better picture on your requirements. >>> >>> I still would rather adept the detailed view, so that it can handle >>> your use-case than adding detailed-information on the icon-view >>> (because I think it's correct to only show icons in a view which is >>> named "icon-view" ;) >> >> I guess it is complicated to add date/time and size below the previews. >> But, if other file browser has this possibility, it is probably >> because it corresponds to a request ;-) >> >>> .. let me propose the following two fixes: >>> >>> 1.) Add the possibility to display "time", not only "date" in the >>> detailed-view >> IMHO it would be the priority ! >> >> >>> 2.) Add the possibility to have multiple rows in the detailed view, >>> so that you e.g. could configure preview+filesize+date+time * 3 rows >> >> A good compromise for me. >> >>> >>> Implementing 1.) should not be that hard to do. Actually I am >>> surprised that "time" is missing. >> >> I'm proud to have reported it 8-) >> >>> >>> However 2.)  would be a bigger deal. Not sure yet how sorting should >>> look like for multiple rows. And for sure that's something I cannot >>> decide alone. >>> >>> If that would be a possible solution for you, I would open 2 feature >>> requests in bugzilla  ... but I have to warn you, probably the >>> request for 2.) will stay open for a long time because xfce lacks >>> developers and there are already alot of open bugs and feature >>> requests on thunar ... not to mention that the gtk3 port first needs >>> to be finished :F >>> >>> So should I open these feature requests ? >> >> I think YES ! >> >> Thanks for the time you have given "my" problem. >> >> >> Salutations, >> -- >> jp willm >> http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html >> >> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Alex >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13.09.2017 18:21, jp willm wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> Le 12/09/2017 à 21:51, Alex a écrit : >>>>> I am still not sure what would be the advantage of having >>>>> date/size below the preview. >>>> If you have many types of files (pictures, pdf, odf, text etc.) in >>>> your folders and you will have a quick overview, it important to >>>> see date and size below them. >>>> >>>> For example : you prepare a document (flyer, poster, mail etc.) in >>>> witch you will insert a picture. It is more than useful to see if >>>> the pictures you look for are big enough (the file size shows you >>>> instantly if yes or no). you don't need to go in the properties >>>> (waste of time). >>>>> >>>>> To be honest I think it would look not that nice and ofc steal >>>>> alot of space ... not to mention that it would be very difficult >>>>> to implement. Of course it should be optional. So sorry if I >>>>> further punish you .. to implement something like that, I first >>>>> need some real good arguments. >>>>> >>>>> So when you are searching for a picture based on it's preview, why >>>>> would it help you to have date and file-size below the preview ? >>>> >>>> An other example : you have created today a few variants of the >>>> same picture or drawing and you search for the more recent : if you >>>> can see the date and time below the previews, you quickly find the >>>> last created or the one you have saved at 11:55 >>>> >>>> In detailed-view the date and time does not appears, but in the >>>> "Modified" column you see only "today" in front of your recent files... >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Do you need date/size information only after you found the right >>>>> picture ? Than I would say right-click --> properties (or the >>>>> related shortcut-key) should be sufficient. >>>> >>>> Waste of time for me :-/ >>>>> >>>>> If you need date/size info for the search itself, I again would >>>>> recommend you the detailed-view, which allows to sort the pictures >>>>> by date or by size. >>>> No date and time in front of the recent files (only the mention >>>> "today") ; not enough previews. >>>> >>>>> >>>>> If all that is not sufficient, maybe a file-browser is just not >>>>> the right tool for the job you want to do. I use "geequi" to >>>>> display and sort my pictures. >>>> I can not in my real world switch between a file browser and a >>>> picture viewer like Ristretto. >>>> >>>>> It displays previews with date and size and allow you to browse >>>>> through folder-structures. Please take a try for it and let me >>>>> know if it possibly fulfills your needs ! >>>> I have tested all the possibilities, but for the type of job I have >>>> to do, the icon/preview mode is the fastest, provided the date/time >>>> and file size are below the thumbs. >>>> >>>> Thank you for looking into my problem 8-) >>>> >>>> Salutations, >>>> -- >>>> jp willm >>>> http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11.09.2017 17:40, jp willm wrote: >>>>>> Hi Alex, >>>>>> >>>>>> Le 10/09/2017 à 22:43, Alex a écrit : >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am still a bit puzzled. Did you take a try for the detailed view ? >>>>>> Yes of course, but I have many different files in my folders so >>>>>> it goes faster for me when many thumbnails are displayed on the >>>>>> screen. >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Because for me it provides everything you requested ( a preview, >>>>>>> the last modification date, and the file-size ) >>>>>>> Please take a look at the attached screenshot, an let me know if >>>>>>> your detailed view looks different / if you miss something there. >>>>>>> In the "view" menu you as well can >>>>>>> - select columns to be displayed >>>>>>> - increase the view-size to have bigger reviews off the files, >>>>>>> if that should be needed >>>>>> Ok thanks for this example. >>>>>> As I have many files in the folders, it goes easier and faster to >>>>>> search in the icon/preview mode, provided that date and file size >>>>>> are displayed below the thumbs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Please see attached screenshot for an example. >>>>>> >>>>>> Salutations, >>>>>> -- >>>>>> jp willm >>>>>> http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10.09.2017 08:48, jp willm wrote: >>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your answer ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For my job, I absolutely need the icon/preview mode. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So, if I had date and file size below the icons/previews, it >>>>>>>> would be great 8-) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you for your hard work, especially the portage from gtk2 >>>>>>>> to gtk3 ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cordialement, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> jp willm >>>>>>>> http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Le 09/09/2017 à 21:25, Alex a écrit : >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> not sure I get your request right. >>>>>>>>> In my opinion the icon-view does not provide any good place to >>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>> such information. Why you dont just use the detailed-view >>>>>>>>> instead, which >>>>>>>>> provides this info ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding the folder-size: Do you refer to the recursive size >>>>>>>>> of a folder ? >>>>>>>>> If so, there is already an open feature request for that: >>>>>>>>> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11524 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> In any case, you will need to be patient. Currently no new >>>>>>>>> features are >>>>>>>>> added to xfce components, since porting all components from >>>>>>>>> gtk2 to gtk3 >>>>>>>>> has priority for the next release. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>>> Alex >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 09.09.2017 16:46, jp willm wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Bonjour, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Since many years, I hope to have the possibility one day, to >>>>>>>>>> display >>>>>>>>>> date and folder size below the icons in the "icon view" mode >>>>>>>>>> in Thunar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This feature would be really useful for many people in the >>>>>>>>>> real life... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you in advance if you can implement this possibility in >>>>>>>>>> one of >>>>>>>>>> the best file browser : Thunar. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sincères salutations et remerciements, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --------------ECB127D855371FB46BA12089 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Alex,


Thank you for your research !


I see I am not the only one who would like to see the file size below the previews in icon view mode 8-)

Date and time would be welcome in this view mode.


Of course, you can attach our conversation in your additional info.


I will follow this discussion and comment it if necessary.


Einen schönen abend !


Salutations,
-- 
jp willm
http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html






Le 17/09/2017 à 23:03, Alex a écrit :
Hi,

I just learned that there already was some fix for 1.) in 2007, which seems to be lost in the current version: https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3265

Here the new bug I opened for 1.)
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13867


For 2.) I found this one:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13553

Instead of opening a new one I would add more info to this bug and attach our conversation, if you agree.
Fell free to as well comment on these issues!

Cheers,
Alex


On 16.09.2017 09:29, jp willm wrote:
Bonjour Alex,


Le 15/09/2017 à 22:26, Alex a écrit :
Hi, sorry for the delay!

There is no emergency :-)


Ok, thanks. Now I have a better picture on your requirements.

I still would rather adept the detailed view, so that it can handle your use-case than adding detailed-information on the icon-view (because I think it's correct to only show icons in a view which is named "icon-view" ;)

I guess it is complicated to add date/time and size below the previews.
But, if other file browser has this possibility, it is probably because it corresponds to a request ;-)

.. let me propose the following two fixes:

1.) Add the possibility to display "time", not only "date" in the detailed-view
IMHO it would be the priority !


2.) Add the possibility to have multiple rows in the detailed view, so that you e.g. could configure preview+filesize+date+time * 3 rows

A good compromise for me.

 
Implementing 1.) should not be that hard to do. Actually I am surprised that "time" is missing.

I'm proud to have reported it 8-)


However 2.)  would be a bigger deal. Not sure yet how sorting should look like for multiple rows. And for sure that's something I cannot decide alone.

If that would be a possible solution for you, I would open 2 feature requests in bugzilla  ... but I have to warn you, probably the request for 2.) will stay open for a long time  because xfce lacks developers and there are already alot of open bugs and feature requests on thunar ... not to mention that the gtk3 port first needs to be finished :F

So should I open these feature requests ?

I think YES !

Thanks for the time you have given "my" problem.


Salutations,
-- 
jp willm
http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html



Cheers,
Alex



On 13.09.2017 18:21, jp willm wrote:
Hello,

Le 12/09/2017 à 21:51, Alex a écrit :
I am still not sure what would be the advantage of having date/size below the preview.
If you have many types of files (pictures, pdf, odf, text etc.) in your folders and you will have a quick overview, it important to see date and size below them.

For example : you prepare a document (flyer, poster, mail etc.) in witch you will insert a picture. It is more than useful to see if the pictures you look for are big enough (the file size shows you instantly if yes or no). you don't need to go in the properties (waste of time).

To be honest I think it would look not that nice and ofc steal alot of space ... not to mention that it would be very difficult to implement. Of course it should be optional. So sorry if I further punish you .. to implement something like that, I first need some real good arguments.

So when you are searching for a picture based on it's preview, why would it help you to have date and file-size below the preview ?

An other example : you have created today a few variants of the same picture or drawing and you search for the more recent : if you can see the date and time below the previews, you quickly find the last created or the one you have saved at 11:55

In detailed-view the date and time does not appears, but in the "Modified" column you see only "today" in front of your recent files...


Do you need date/size information only after you found the right picture ? Than I would say right-click --> properties (or the related shortcut-key) should be sufficient.

Waste of time for me :-/

If you need date/size info for the search itself, I again would recommend you the detailed-view, which allows to sort the pictures by date or by size.
No date and time in front of the recent files (only the mention "today") ; not enough previews.


If all that is not sufficient, maybe a file-browser is just not the right tool for the job you want to do. I use "geequi" to display and sort my pictures.
I can not in my real world switch between a file browser and a picture viewer like Ristretto.

It displays previews with date and size and allow you to browse through folder-structures. Please take a try for it and let me know if it possibly fulfills your needs !
I have tested all the possibilities, but for the type of job I have to do, the icon/preview mode is the fastest, provided the date/time and file size are below the thumbs.

Thank you for looking into my problem 8-)

Salutations,
-- 
jp willm
http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html








On 11.09.2017 17:40, jp willm wrote:
Hi Alex,

Le 10/09/2017 à 22:43, Alex a écrit :
Hi,

I am still a bit puzzled. Did you take a try for the detailed view ?
Yes of course, but I have many different files in my folders so it goes faster for me when many thumbnails are displayed on the screen.


Because for me it provides everything you requested ( a preview, the last modification date, and the file-size )
Please take a look at the attached screenshot, an let me know if your detailed view looks different / if you miss something there.
In the "view" menu you as well can
- select columns to be displayed
- increase the view-size to have bigger reviews off the files, if that should be needed
Ok thanks for this example.
As I have many files in the folders, it goes easier and faster to search in the icon/preview mode, provided that date and file size are displayed below the thumbs.

Please see attached screenshot for an example.

Salutations,
-- 
jp willm
http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html



On 10.09.2017 08:48, jp willm wrote:
Hello,

Thank you for your answer !


For my job, I absolutely need the icon/preview mode.

So, if I had date and file size below the icons/previews, it would be great 8-)

Thank you for your hard work, especially the portage from gtk2 to gtk3 !

Cordialement,

-- 
jp willm
http://perso.orange.fr/willms/index.html



Le 09/09/2017 à 21:25, Alex a écrit :
Hi,

not sure I get your request right.
In my opinion the icon-view does not provide any good place to display
such information. Why you dont just use the detailed-view instead, which
provides this info ?

Regarding the folder-size: Do you refer to the recursive size of a folder ?
If so, there is already an open feature request for that:
https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11524

In any case, you will need to be patient. Currently no new features are
added to xfce components, since porting all components from gtk2 to gtk3
has priority for the next release.

Cheers,
Alex


On 09.09.2017 16:46, jp willm wrote:
Bonjour,


Since many years, I hope to have the possibility one day, to display
date and folder size below the icons in the "icon view" mode in Thunar.


This feature would be really useful for many people in the real life...


Thank you in advance if you can implement this possibility in one of
the best file browser : Thunar.


Sincères salutations et remerciements, 












  


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